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Andromeda Year 2 = boring
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h***@yahoo.com
2005-07-05 23:05:57 UTC
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I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?



Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?

troy
Mark Nobles
2005-07-06 00:06:33 UTC
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
Nope.
Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
2005-07-06 01:28:11 UTC
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You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
Mark Nobles
2005-07-06 16:48:41 UTC
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Post by Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
I watched nearly every episode. Season 2 was very good by comparison
with what came later.
jeremy
2005-07-06 17:16:59 UTC
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Post by Mark Nobles
Post by Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
I watched nearly every episode. Season 2 was very good by comparison
with what came later.
I agree... I think season 5 was a joke in comparison to any of the previous
seasons...
Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
2005-07-06 18:17:31 UTC
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I have watched, and recorded, every season. I have yet to go back and
watch any episode, yet. I doubt if I ever will. either.
David B
2005-07-07 05:22:21 UTC
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Post by jeremy
Post by Mark Nobles
Post by Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
I watched nearly every episode. Season 2 was very good by comparison
with what came later.
I agree... I think season 5 was a joke in comparison to any of the previous
seasons...
Season 5 was better than season 4. Not saying much with that though...
ShinyMermaid
2005-07-08 13:21:09 UTC
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Post by David B
Post by jeremy
Post by Mark Nobles
Post by Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
I watched nearly every episode. Season 2 was very good by
comparison
Post by David B
Post by jeremy
Post by Mark Nobles
with what came later.
I agree... I think season 5 was a joke in comparison to any of the previous
seasons...
Season 5 was better than season 4. Not saying much with that though...
The No Rommie phase sucked.
Mark Nobles
2005-07-08 17:08:33 UTC
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Post by Mark Nobles
Post by David B
Post by jeremy
Post by Mark Nobles
Post by Roald Winifred D'Tewkesberry
You see any of years 3-5, if you think two was bad?
I watched nearly every episode. Season 2 was very good by
comparison
Post by David B
Post by jeremy
Post by Mark Nobles
with what came later.
I agree... I think season 5 was a joke in comparison to any of the
previous
Post by David B
Post by jeremy
seasons...
Season 5 was better than season 4. Not saying much with that though...
The No Rommie phase sucked.
Blame that on Daniel Jackson, not the writers.
ShinyMermaid
2005-07-10 02:58:05 UTC
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Post by Mark Nobles
Post by ShinyMermaid
The No Rommie phase sucked.
Blame that on Daniel Jackson, not the writers.
Why, did he drug her and impregnate her against her will?
Mark Nobles
2005-07-10 19:16:54 UTC
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Post by ShinyMermaid
Post by Mark Nobles
Post by ShinyMermaid
The No Rommie phase sucked.
Blame that on Daniel Jackson, not the writers.
Why, did he drug her and impregnate her against her will?
Yes. Exactly that.
And it would be irrelevant even if he hadn't, since the Andromeda
producers and writers did not script their decision to have a kid -
not that there's anything wrong with that.

C
2005-07-06 03:12:44 UTC
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Not really, they fired the Executive Producer Robert Hewitt Wolfe (sorry,
"LET GO") after 2x12 and Kevin Sorbo took a more active hand in the
production. You can see the result.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?
Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
troy
Bozo the Evil Klown
2005-07-06 03:21:03 UTC
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?
The year one stories were too intelligent for Sorbocles. He used his
Executive Producer clout to fire the writers who did the thoughtful
stories and essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
Well, they're good for playing MST3K-The Home Game, though the final
season became unwatchable even for me (That and the final year of
"Earth: Final Conflict" was the only skiffy so bad even I couldn't
handle it).

There was *one* good ep after Season One; I forget which year. It was
called "The Unconquerable Man."

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ANIM8Rfsk
2005-07-06 04:25:49 UTC
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Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
Post by h***@yahoo.com
I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?
The year one stories were too intelligent for Sorbocles. He used his
Executive Producer clout to fire the writers who did the thoughtful
stories and essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
Well, they're good for playing MST3K-The Home Game, though the final
season became unwatchable even for me (That and the final year of
"Earth: Final Conflict" was the only skiffy so bad even I couldn't
handle it).
There was *one* good ep after Season One; I forget which year. It was
called "The Unconquerable Man."
Season 3. IIRC, it was the last of the smart writers laughing on their way
out the door by presenting a show that proved the series would be better
without Hunt.
William George Ferguson
2005-07-06 20:06:52 UTC
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Post by ANIM8Rfsk
Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
Post by h***@yahoo.com
I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?
The year one stories were too intelligent for Sorbocles. He used his
Executive Producer clout to fire the writers who did the thoughtful
stories and essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
Well, they're good for playing MST3K-The Home Game, though the final
season became unwatchable even for me (That and the final year of
"Earth: Final Conflict" was the only skiffy so bad even I couldn't
handle it).
There was *one* good ep after Season One; I forget which year. It was
called "The Unconquerable Man."
Season 3. IIRC, it was the last of the smart writers laughing on their way
out the door by presenting a show that proved the series would be better
without Hunt.
Actually, I also quite liked "The Dark Backwards", which was a couple of
eps later, where we saw the episode from Trance's multi-linear
perspective.

But then we had the run up to "Vault of the Heavens", the only episode of
any tv series I've seen that seriously challenges 'captain and navigator
turn into mud puppies and populate a planet' for the worst episode of a
television show ever.
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went bonkers and tried to destroy the world, um, I actually used to be
a little ball of energy until about two years ago when some monks
changed the past and made me Buffy's sister and for some reason, a big
klepto. My best friends are Leticia Jones, who moved to San Diego
because this town is evil, and a floppy eared demon named Clem.
(Dawn's fantasy of her intro speech in "Lessons", from the shooting script)
h***@yahoo.com
2005-07-06 22:23:08 UTC
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Post by ANIM8Rfsk
Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
There was *one* good ep after Season One; I forget which year. It was
called "The Unconquerable Man."
Season 3. IIRC, it was the last of the smart writers laughing on their way
out the door by presenting a show that proved the series would be better
without Hunt.
I'm beginning to think the GEOS poll is worthless:
Season 1 7.984 ± 0.47
Season 2 8.073 ± 0.37
Season 3 7.638 ± 0.47
Season 4 7.957 ± 0.22
Season 5 8.253 ± 0.24


This suggests that season 5 was Andromeda's best season?!?!?

troy
Ian J. Ball
2005-07-07 01:18:57 UTC
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
Season 1 7.984 ± 0.47
Season 2 8.073 ± 0.37
Season 3 7.638 ± 0.47
Season 4 7.957 ± 0.22
Season 5 8.253 ± 0.24
This suggests that season 5 was Andromeda's best season?!?!?
You're *just* figuring this out?!

I had GEOS pegged as useless almost a decade ago.
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William George Ferguson
2005-07-07 04:14:44 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:18:57 GMT, "Ian J. Ball"
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Season 1 7.984 ± 0.47
Season 2 8.073 ± 0.37
Season 3 7.638 ± 0.47
Season 4 7.957 ± 0.22
Season 5 8.253 ± 0.24
This suggests that season 5 was Andromeda's best season?!?!?
You're *just* figuring this out?!
I had GEOS pegged as useless almost a decade ago.
You first need to define what 'useful' would be in this context. If you
mean as a guide to establish whether a program is good, or worth watching,
I would consider no poll, including the Nielsen ratings to useful for
that.

With a rating poll like this, it isn't the raw number that means anything,
as the raw number has no intrinsic value, it's the comparison and patterns
that have meaning. A show like Andromeda is very hard to judge by the
voting, because the voting numbers declined so precipitously. The higest
rated episode according to the poll is Its Hour Come Round At Last, the
season 1 finale (and most people who watched very much of Andromeda will
likely agree with that). It's the only episode (by a wide margin) to
average better than 9 (on a 10 point scale) and it has had, so far, 125
votes. The series finale, The Heart Of The Journey Pt.2, is the second
highest rated episode, almost half a point lower, but it has only had 16
votes. If I talked 4 people into signing on and voting it a 1.0, it would
be the lowest rated episode. Quant very definitely not Suff.

Numbers really don't lie, but they don't always say what people think they
say.

To get a reasonable season to season comparison, you need to have enough
distance so that the total votes are reasonably smoothed out. I don't
completely agree with the 'average GEOS voter' on the relative ratings of
the Buffy episodes, but since the one with the least number of votes for
an episode is 205, that's a reasonably flattened average. My basic
conclusion is that other people don't agree with me, not that the sample
is flawed.


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Delightful Meal
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A little
Philippa Chapman
2005-07-06 07:11:33 UTC
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Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
Post by h***@yahoo.com
I liked year 1 when I saw it on Sci-fi channel. So I downloaded year 2
off the net. I *don't* like year 2. It's boring. It's just one
battle after another. What happened to the intelligent,
thought-provoking stories of year 1?!?!?
The year one stories were too intelligent for Sorbocles. He used his
Executive Producer clout to fire the writers who did the thoughtful
stories and essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
<Sigh> When Kevin was called on this live and in person last August he
utterly refuted these rumours. He may have had the title of executive
producer, but he never had that much actual power.


Philippa
Mark Brown
2005-07-07 12:53:22 UTC
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"Bozo the Evil Klown" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
*SNIP*

Though not in that order, it's worth noting.

Mark
"Shooting the girl, kissing the spaceship, and blowing up the gun."
Jerry Brown
2005-07-07 18:14:41 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:53:22 -0400, "Mark Brown"
Post by Mark Brown
*SNIP*
Post by Bozo the Evil Klown
essentially dumbed down the show to shooting, kissing and
blowing up girls, guns and spaceships.
*SNIP*
Though not in that order, it's worth noting.
Mark
"Shooting the girl,
kissing the spaceship,
Andromeda is a special case, since the spaceship IS a girl.
Post by Mark Brown
and blowing up the gun."
Jerry Brown
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(but probably won't bother)

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Mark Brown
2005-07-07 12:56:14 UTC
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<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Post by h***@yahoo.com
Is there any reason for me to continue watching this show? Any good
episodes after 2x12 (ouroboros)?
No, but once you get up to Ouoboros, you should track down RHW's "Coda" at
http://www.rhwolfe.com/Insider%20Info.htm

It describes what the show was ~supposed~ to be.

Mark
"I always wanted to be a star." --Trance
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