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Andromeda galaxy larger than thought-astronomers
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Bill
2005-05-31 08:21:59 UTC
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Can it be coincidence that this happend just as the series ended. I think not.

Bill

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Andromeda galaxy larger than thought-astronomers
Mon May 30, 4:34 PM ET



The Andromeda galaxy just got bigger -- three times bigger, astronomers said
on Monday.

The galaxy is not actually expanding. But new measurements suggest that the
nearest galaxy to our own Milky Way is three times broader than astronomers
had thought.

They now believe a thin sprinkling of stars once thought to be a halo is in
fact part of Andromeda's main disk.

That makes the spiral galaxy, so close to Earth that it appeared as a fuzzy
blob to the ancients, more than 220,000 light-years across -- triple the
previous estimate of 70,000 to 80,000 light-years.

It appears that the outer fringes of the disk were made when smaller galaxies
slammed together, they told a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in
Minneapolis.

The structure is too bumpy to have been formed otherwise, said Rodrigo Ibata
of the Observatoire Astronomique de Strasbourg in France.

"This giant disk discovery will be very hard to reconcile with computer
simulations of forming galaxies. You just don't get giant rotating disks from
the accretion of small galaxy fragments," Ibata said in a statement.

Ibata, Scott Chapman of the California Institute of Technology and colleagues
in Britain and Australia worked together using observations from the Keck II
telescope in Hawaii.

They studied the motions of about 3,000 stars thought to be a mere halo and
not an actual part of the galaxy's disk.

But they are in fact sited in the plane of the Andromeda disk itself and move
at a velocity that suggests they are in orbit around the center of the galaxy,
Ibata's team said.

Andromeda is 2 million light-years from Earth. A light-year is the distance
light travels in a year -- about 6 trillion miles.










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YKhan
2005-05-31 20:45:52 UTC
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There's a lot of interesting things about the Andromeda Galaxy. Like
for example it's seemingly got *two* galactic cores, i.e. supermassive
blackholes, not just one. And we'll soon be able to explore it much
closer, possibly in less than a billion years, as the Milky Way and
Andromeda move closer towards each other. They are only 2 million light
years apart now. The Milky Way and Andromeda the two largest things in
our local group of galaxies, and the two of them together will be just
outstandingly big.

Yousuf Khan
Beth Smarr
2005-05-31 21:54:34 UTC
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Post by YKhan
There's a lot of interesting things about the Andromeda Galaxy. Like
for example it's seemingly got *two* galactic cores, i.e. supermassive
blackholes, not just one. And we'll soon be able to explore it much
closer, possibly in less than a billion years, as the Milky Way and
Andromeda move closer towards each other. They are only 2 million light
years apart now. The Milky Way and Andromeda the two largest things in
our local group of galaxies, and the two of them together will be just
outstandingly big.
Yousuf Khan
I just rewatched the first two episodes and something clicked with the
last two - when Dylan was told that the Commonwealth no longer existed,
he said that was impossible, that it was spread over three galaxies.
The Nebula was going to wipe out three galaxies.

So maybe the supermassive black holes are in different galaxies.
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YKhan
2005-06-01 04:39:07 UTC
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Post by Beth Smarr
I just rewatched the first two episodes and something clicked with the
last two - when Dylan was told that the Commonwealth no longer existed,
he said that was impossible, that it was spread over three galaxies.
The Nebula was going to wipe out three galaxies.
Yup, our local galactic cluster is made up of three major galaxies:
Milky Way, Andromeda, and Triangulum. And also dozens of dwarf
satellite galaxies in the process of being swallowed up by these three.
Andromeda is the biggest of them. I'm not sure if these size
comparisons are proportionally accurate, but if the galaxies were
continents on Earth, then Andromeda would be Asia, Milky Way would be
Africa, and Triangulum would be Europe. These three galaxies are
precisely where the Commonwealth ruled.

One thing that puzzled me about the Andromeda Rising universe was why
they were limited to travel only within their own local group of
galaxies? Why not all of the other galaxies in all of the other
galactic groups? There are billions of other galaxies. In the Star Trek
universe, they were confined to exploring only small portions of the
Milky Way, getting proportionately bigger as the generations increased.
However, in Andromeda Rising they were quite capable of travelling
between galaxies of the local group without too much more effort than
travelling between stars -- so why not be able to span the whole
expanse of the universe?

Oh another interesting fact, I think the Stargate Atlantis crew are
marooned inside the Triangulum galaxy.
Post by Beth Smarr
So maybe the supermassive black holes are in different galaxies.
There was an episode either in second or third season where Beka was
all high on Flash, and she was trying like a madwoman to find the lost
slipstream of Tarn Vedra. There was a point where they slipstreamed
right into the middle of the two galactic blackholes of Andromeda
galaxy and got stuck there for a little while, due to the fact that the
two blackholes were preventing formation of a slipstream out of there.

Yousuf Khan
Jim Heckman
2005-06-01 08:40:23 UTC
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On 31-May-2005, "YKhan" <***@gmail.com>
wrote in message <***@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

[...]
Post by YKhan
Oh another interesting fact, I think the Stargate Atlantis crew are
marooned inside the Triangulum galaxy.
Maybe, but on the show they call it the Pegasus galaxy.

[...]
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YKhan
2005-06-01 16:42:27 UTC
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Post by Jim Heckman
Post by YKhan
Oh another interesting fact, I think the Stargate Atlantis crew are
marooned inside the Triangulum galaxy.
Maybe, but on the show they call it the Pegasus galaxy.
Oh, you're right, my mistake. I knew that it must be a galaxy in our
own Local Group galactic cluster, so I guess I just assumed Triangulum.
But it's more likely this galaxy:

Pegasus Dwarf Irregular Galaxy: Information From Answers.com
http://www.answers.com/topic/pegasus-dwarf-irregular-galaxy

This one is also part of the Local Group, and it's a satellite of
Andromeda.

Yousuf Khan
Beth Smarr
2005-06-01 10:19:17 UTC
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Post by YKhan
Post by Beth Smarr
So maybe the supermassive black holes are in different galaxies.
There was an episode either in second or third season where Beka was
all high on Flash, and she was trying like a madwoman to find the lost
slipstream of Tarn Vedra. There was a point where they slipstreamed
right into the middle of the two galactic blackholes of Andromeda
galaxy and got stuck there for a little while, due to the fact that the
two blackholes were preventing formation of a slipstream out of there.
Yousuf Khan
Hmm, have to watch that again - not clicking in my memory core at all.
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Beth Smarr
2005-06-01 10:22:42 UTC
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Post by Beth Smarr
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Post by YKhan
Post by Beth Smarr
So maybe the supermassive black holes are in different galaxies.
There was an episode either in second or third season where Beka was
all high on Flash, and she was trying like a madwoman to find the lost
slipstream of Tarn Vedra. There was a point where they slipstreamed
right into the middle of the two galactic blackholes of Andromeda
galaxy and got stuck there for a little while, due to the fact that the
two blackholes were preventing formation of a slipstream out of there.
Yousuf Khan
Hmm, have to watch that again - not clicking in my memory core at all.
BTW, just saw this article on cnn.com about the Andromeda galaxy being
three times larger than originally thought.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/05/30/space.andromeda.reut/index.html
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Mark Brown
2005-05-31 23:51:33 UTC
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Post by YKhan
There's a lot of interesting things about the Andromeda Galaxy. Like
for example it's seemingly got *two* galactic cores, i.e. supermassive
blackholes, not just one.
*SNIP*

Yes, I remember. That's why Beka got the ship ~stuck~ there in S1. ;)

Mark
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YKhan
2005-06-01 16:55:06 UTC
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Was that first season? I thought it was 2nd or 3rd.

Yousuf Khan
Mark Brown
2005-06-02 17:21:44 UTC
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Post by YKhan
Was that first season? I thought it was 2nd or 3rd.
Nope, S1: "It Makes a Lovely Light." Just before the finale
http://www.andromedatv.com/episodes/season1/epi_121.html

Mark
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