Another Screwed Loose End

[Ron]

I was looking over the descriptions of the past episodes and
I came across the one where Harper was forced to build a time
bridge to 210 years in the future.

Funny how a stream of Magog came flying out off the time bridge
when, we know, that Dylan does defeat the Abyss in the end. The
Nietzsceans are defeated- a bunch of "genetic loosers" thanks
to the pounding "Peter" got. But were there any Magog left over
when their great, "infalible," leader bites the cosmic dust?

Ron

[80 Knight]

Post by Ron
I was looking over the descriptions of the past episodes and
I came across the one where Harper was forced to build a time
bridge to 210 years in the future.
Funny how a stream of Magog came flying out off the time bridge
when, we know, that Dylan does defeat the Abyss in the end. The
Nietzsceans are defeated- a bunch of "genetic loosers" thanks
to the pounding "Peter" got. But were there any Magog left over
when their great, "infalible," leader bites the cosmic dust?
Ron

I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present episodes
that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in future
episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is aboard the
Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not only 6 months
after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by some dumb
Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of Prey against the
Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain.

[Ron]

How true; how true...

Ron

[Trevor Isadore Whalmsley]

"I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present
episodes that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in
future episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is
aboard the Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not
only 6 months after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by
some dumb Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of
Prey against the Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain."

I would give almost ANYTHING for a scifi series that does not allow time
travel in its premise. That cliche has been done to death, especially by
Trek on numerous occasions too many to site here. also in next gens
final ep, the fed ships in the "future" could go warp 13. as said in eps
and tech manuals, no ship can exceed warp 10. We all know Tom Paris
finally did it and became "one" with the universe. They probably
developed another Unlikely Device [like the "heisenberg Compensator"]
called the Infinity Barrier Limiter or somesuch. It sounds more like
comic book terminology all the time.

[The Saltex Brujo]

"They probably developed another Unlikely Device [like the "heisenberg
Compensator"] called the Infinity Barrier Limiter or somesuch. It sounds
more like comic book terminology all the time."

The plots have comic book like for a long time, too.

[David B]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present
episodes that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in
future episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is
aboard the Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not
only 6 months after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by
some dumb Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of
Prey against the Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain."
I would give almost ANYTHING for a scifi series that does not allow time
travel in its premise.

There's no time travel in the new Battlestar Galactica series.

[Trevor Isadore Whalmsley]

"There's no time travel in the new Battlestar Galactica series."

Not YET there isn't, you mean.

[David B]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"There's no time travel in the new Battlestar Galactica series."
Not YET there isn't, you mean.

No, I mean never will be.

[Trevor Isadore Whalmsley]

"No, I mean never will be."

[Trevor Isadore Whalmsley]

"No, I mean never will be."

I hope you are right. but, is it so stated somewhere that the TPTB that
make BSG will not use time travel in the series?

[Atlas Bugged]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"No, I mean never will be."
I hope you are right. but, is it so stated somewhere that the TPTB that
make BSG will not use time travel in the series?

It's a fair guess. FIREFLY, too, strictly limited the tech that was
available in its story structure, and BSG, although less worthy in the
science department, gives every indication that the science is not wildly
advanced (with the exception of "jumps," but that is regarded as exceptional
even within the storyline.)

[Trevor Isadore Whalmsley]

I do not deny that there have been some good time travel eps in various
series, but it is an increasingly overused concept. It seems a good
story device to do radical sensationalism, such as killiNg the
characters or destroying the ship or some such, or have them do totally
reprehensiBle acts against their own crew or some unfortunate alien
race. Then, at the end of the story, it can all be conveniently "erased"
and "it never happened", thereby letting everyone off the hook and
nobody remembers what "didn't happen".

[David B]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"No, I mean never will be."
I hope you are right. but, is it so stated somewhere that the TPTB that
make BSG will not use time travel in the series?

Ron Moore says he isn't doing the traditional Star Trek type plots. BSG
aims to be more of a realistic drama in space.

[j***@here.com]

Post by David B

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"No, I mean never will be."
I hope you are right. but, is it so stated somewhere that the TPTB that
make BSG will not use time travel in the series?

Ron Moore says he isn't doing the traditional Star Trek type plots. BSG
aims to be more of a realistic drama in space.

Star trek type plots? A plot is a plot. I think he means subjects or
just possibly themes. A bit worrying when a writer doesn't know the
difference.

When it comes down to it there aren't that many stories to tell. Its only
the way you tell them that changes.

Time travel is just a gimmick that lets you tell an odd story. If the
story is crap thats not the fault of the gimmick any more than its the
fault of using a car in a road movie and claiming the car is to blame if
the story is rubbish.

I don't mind time travel (which makes it science fantasy not science
fiction) as long as the time travel is there for a purpose and its full
consequences are well thought out.

After all - look at Dr. Who.
An entire series based around time travel. If one Dr. story is better
than another you don't blame the fact that it was having time travel that
caused it.

Crap writting is crap writting... Time travel or not.

- J -

[Michael C. Hermit]

Post by David B

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"No, I mean never will be."
I hope you are right. but, is it so stated somewhere that the TPTB that
make BSG will not use time travel in the series?

Ron Moore says he isn't doing the traditional Star Trek type plots. BSG
aims to be more of a realistic drama in space.

Though I will probably wait until long after the show has finished to
become a loyal fan, my curiosity got the best of me. There was a good NY
Times article posted in full to the BSG group which covers this and
more. Here's the message id:
42d9b85e$0$36739$***@authen.white.readfreenews.net

[80 Knight]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present
episodes that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in
future episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is
aboard the Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not
only 6 months after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by
some dumb Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of
Prey against the Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain."
I would give almost ANYTHING for a scifi series that does not allow time
travel in its premise. That cliche has been done to death, especially by
Trek on numerous occasions too many to site here.

I love time travel episodes, as long as they are done well.

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
also in next gens
final ep, the fed ships in the "future" could go warp 13. as said in eps
and tech manuals, no ship can exceed warp 10. We all know Tom Paris
finally did it and became "one" with the universe. They probably
developed another Unlikely Device [like the "heisenberg Compensator"]
called the Infinity Barrier Limiter or somesuch. It sounds more like
comic book terminology all the time.

I always thought the whole 'warp 13' thing was just a glitch on the writers
part (making it seem as though the E-D had been all future'd up) but I think
also there are two other things: 1, the warp scale may have been changed
(just as it was between Kirk's time and Picard's time) or 2, perhaps the way
Tom Paris got to warp 10 was a totally different (and more dangerous) way
then Starfleet figured out how to do later on in the future. The way I think
of it is it is pretty weird to put a total limit on speed. I mean, as new
tech develops, faster ships can be produced.

[jack]

Post by 80 Knight

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present
episodes that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in
future episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is
aboard the Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not
only 6 months after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by
some dumb Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of
Prey against the Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain."

1. The last ep of TNG was a Q episode in which the present day Picard was
put into a possible future; The two Klingon sisters had access to the E's
shield code and disabled it. Without the shield the ship is just another
hunk of metal.

Post by 80 Knight

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
also in next gens
final ep, the fed ships in the "future" could go warp 13. as said in eps
and tech manuals, no ship can exceed warp 10. We all know Tom Paris
finally did it and became "one" with the universe. They probably
developed another Unlikely Device [like the "heisenberg Compensator"]
called the Infinity Barrier Limiter or somesuch. It sounds more like
comic book terminology all the time.

I always thought the whole 'warp 13' thing was just a glitch on the writers
part (making it seem as though the E-D had been all future'd up) but I think

yeah, yeah, this was done to death back then. One good hypothesis:
future warp technology got all ships to go in the high 9.9s easily. So,
instead of having captains yell, "go to 9.99" or "9.999," they renumbered
the warp drive. There is nothing inherent to the technology to using a
scale of ten in the first place.

--jack

[80 Knight]

Post by jack

Post by 80 Knight

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
"I think by now, we should all realize that what happens in present
episodes that take place in the future, very rarely actually happens in
future episodes. Look at Trek. In the last episode of TNG, Picard is
aboard the Enterprise-D something like 25 years in the future, yet not
only 6 months after the show ended, the Enterprise-D got destroyed by
some dumb Klingons...I will never forget that...A 20 year old Bird of
Prey against the Federation's Flagship...Ugh the misery and pain."

1. The last ep of TNG was a Q episode in which the present day Picard was
put into a possible future;

I am not sure what you mean here.

Post by jack
The two Klingon sisters had access to the E's shield code and disabled it.
Without the shield the ship is just another hunk of metal.

Still though, the Riker on the E-D only bothered to fire one phaser blast to
the Klingon's. He should have shoved a few torpedoes down there throats and
that would have eliminated them. But, the writers in there infinite wisdom
needed a 'cool' way for the E-D to go down, hence the whole 'hacking into
the cloaking system and raising the shields' on the BoP. Oh, and they could
have remodulated the shield frequency, which would have taken away the
Klingon's advantage. Still...If the E-D had of been destroyed by something
like the Symatar from 'Nemesis', I could have lived with that. Not some 20
year old hulk of crap.

Post by jack

Post by 80 Knight

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
also in next gens
final ep, the fed ships in the "future" could go warp 13. as said in eps
and tech manuals, no ship can exceed warp 10. We all know Tom Paris
finally did it and became "one" with the universe. They probably
developed another Unlikely Device [like the "heisenberg Compensator"]
called the Infinity Barrier Limiter or somesuch. It sounds more like
comic book terminology all the time.

I always thought the whole 'warp 13' thing was just a glitch on the writers
part (making it seem as though the E-D had been all future'd up) but I think

yeah, yeah, this was done to death back then. One good hypothesis: future
warp technology got all ships to go in the high 9.9s easily. So, instead
of having captains yell, "go to 9.99" or "9.999," they renumbered the warp
drive. There is nothing inherent to the technology to using a scale of
ten in the first place.

True.

[Atlas Bugged]

Post by Trevor Isadore Whalmsley
I would give almost ANYTHING for a scifi series that does not allow time
travel in its premise. That cliche has been done to death, especially by
Trek on numerous occasions too many to site here.

I have often wondered why such a storyline is so often used, especially when
it raises innumerable problems, and I have concluded that it just provides
too many opportunities to tell good stories. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is an
example of how one of the best episodes ever flows from this premise, and
there are a number of others I could name. I hate the overall premise just
as you do (and I even believe that it will *never* be possible,) but the
results of using it have been undeniably good in too many instances.